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Not every character... by Rawr-Naze Not every character... by Rawr-Naze
"Not Every Character With An Issue Is A Sue"

It's true. I will admit I am guilty to seeing a character with a dramatic history or mental/emotional illness and saying "Oh great, another sue." However, half of the time I'm proven wrong.

An example of a character that should never see the light of day ; Sarah McSparkles who saw her parents killed before her eyes and now her boyfriend abuses her but she seems happy and bouncy but really cuts herself to deal with the pain.

A character that is /allowed/ to have some issues would be someone who got some shit handed to them, but dealt with it productively, and has a little fall out but nothing terribly severe like cutting themselves up. Though in my opinion you also must write more than a paragraph per anything to do it right.

Don't judge a book by it's cover ; there might be something good to it.

Psst, this is my first text-only stamp so please don't be too hard on looks. |D;;
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mlpfan212 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Student Artisan Crafter
i guess this means everyone is a mary sue 
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CandyReaper-Malloko Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I think every character in a serious, dramatic or realistic show/book/whatever should have at least one issue, and that issue can be either huge and overwhelming, or small and subtle. Just write it well and make it realistic.
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BlackMagikButterfly Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2015  Student General Artist
THANK YOU!! THANK. YOU. 
I CAN'T STAND IT WHEN PEOPLE DECIDE TO MOVE THEIR TARGET OF IMMATURITY TO YOUR OC BY CALLING IT A MARY SUE JUST BECAUSE OF SOME KIND OF PROBLEM IS HAS. I CAN'T FUCKING STAND THAT.
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TheTimeTraveIIer Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Student General Artist
People tend to mistake a writer using UNDEVELOPED character issues that are simply there to make the reader feel sorry for themost without any other reason for them being there, like to make the character who they are for example, with a writer using a lot of issues that ARE DEVELOPED.

The only thing, I repeat, the ONLY thing that makes a character a Mary Sue is the writer.

No character intended to be the protagonist is ever branded purposfully as a sue and thus every character has the potential to turn out good unless the writer is unable to correctly portray the character realistically or likeable.

In my opinion, things that happen to a character can never brand a character as Mary Sue... As the only thing that makes a character a Mary Sue, is the way character looks, acts oor the way other react to them, or why otherstuff or they act in that way.

In short, the main reason for Mary Sue's:
Plot holes 
And
Unoriginal fan children 
(Help me. So many until orginal and unplausible fan children. Especially when people talk about enheiriting parents talents m. Not powers but talents. No. Just no. People need to learn how genetics work before forcing crap like that on the reader and expecting us to believe it.)
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Adam-Walker Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Student Writer
What do you mean fan children?
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Yatzstar Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Children of canon characters, I believe
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Adam-Walker Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2015  Student Writer
I think we're all guilty though of giving canon characters children though. Even though I have only given two existing characters children I've given them a lot more development than most creators do, at least for three of them.

One user I once knew was also guilty of giving canon characters children.
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KarsiTheDog Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I understand. I have a few OCs with tragic pasts and a few issues but I don't qualify him as a Mary Sue. Or at least I try to make him not one. I have a few normal OCs. Like the one in my icon who is okay with life and had a good childhood. Some of my characters I worked years on. I haven't got much negative views off my characters and I hope I never will 
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Idontknowwhoyouknow Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
*ponders whether my Nara is a Sue*
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LeonPwlski Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013
It's more about how good a writer the author is than what past he/she gives his/her characters. A good writer can handle most kinds of characters and back-stories without them getting flat, stereotypical, exaggerated, unrealistic, too powerful...
and a good writer knows when it is appropriate to give a character a tragic past and when it is just awkward.
And a bad writer will screw up on everything and never manage to keep any character even halfway interesting.

That said, I am guilty myself of concentrating too much on one of my OCs tragic past in one of my fanfics (not on dA but on fanfictionnet). Her past is necessary for the story. It wouldn't work without it but I need to tone it down.
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doki23 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes agreed.
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ButterflyReflection Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with this all the way. although I do have a character that might be considered "sue-ish" but i don't really roleplay her much with people and i don't write her into much fanfiction because i don't want her to be ridiculed for having issues lol but she is sue-ish on some level but i am working that out of her but. what happens when the oc you create is literally based of you and your actually experiences in life and you have had a rather bad life but deal with it in a certain way, like creating characters that deal whit it the way you used to? or are? or would? does that make them a sue ? i'm curious because my character is kind of based off of me and how i dealt with things and the things i went through but i add in a flair of.. fantasy or something to it?
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LeonPwlski Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013
As I understand it sue characters are more the flat, stereotypical or unrealistic characters and often made too powerful or perfect because the writer wants to identify with them and often get a tragic past because the writer thinks it'll add something to them or because it helps to further glorify them (though I don't know the exact definition but that's what the characters were that usually get called sue)
I don't think there's anything wrong with making an OC based on yourself as long as you don't exaggerate anything to an unrealistic extent - things that actually exist can't be unrealistic after all but to avoid making a too stereotypical character it is necessary to concentrate on more than just one aspect of that character - so not just the tragic past.
But I don't know your character, I can't say if she is sue-ish or not.
I know, late reply, but anyways.
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ButterflyReflection Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's okay about the later reply. 

and i like your explanation. 
though some of my characters(Newer ones recently) I have made a bit more realistic
and somewhat less Sue-ish. it is my miyaka character who've i've avoided adding into fanfictions because of her sue qualities. I didn't actually realize it  she has tons of powers nad is strong, stronger than most though she tends to lose a lot. has a HUGE list of mental issues and though not loved by every one or hated by everyone.. 
She has a nice list of enemies going on. as well as allies. 
How ever.. instead of adding her to other stories not my own.. I just recently.. am writing a story around Her so she's now going to have her own story..but i have changed a lot of what i used to have with her. 
she doesn't have Un-realistic I in everything skills. and she has a Bit more of a realistic background 
But me th thing about my characters are some times i liek to give them a quality i wish i could have had. like Dancing. and being good at it.. 
Or singing. :3 
Miyaka can Fight or at least knows how to defend herself. She can sing and dance. but dosen't do that often. 
she's not famous but she was semi popular with the people she befriends. 

my more Mary-sue characters i leave for Roleplay alone anymore. 

I think even if it's in an original story or not most stories can't avoid a sue character. even Bleach has a sue character(Ichigo....) lol but as long as it's not like. over done with tons of characters or idk.. as long as it's creative and somewhat realistic if the story they are in calls for realism. 
Just my opinion though.. 
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Dragon-Kid Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013
Even Bella-Sue had issues.
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DelightfullyFreaky Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. Even though most of my characters don't have issues, that doesn't mean I still on't agree with this.
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TheIrishAngel Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I hated how one of my OCs is considered "Sue-ish" just for having Mutil Personality Disorder. He's been through Hell and has a reason! It's not fair...
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Lugbzurg Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
A lot of characters in Fullmetal Alchemist seemed to have issues, but they seemed alright. It's true, people.
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Droemar Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012
I'd say it's less about the issues and how well the character is portrayed by the author. If you win, you're a hero, if you lose, you're a Sue.
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deidarasprincess109 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011
I am getting bullied. I said," ENOUGH!" and I did what anyone else would do. >:3 I pressed THE button.
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Artemis-Day Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Of course characters should have issues. You know why? Because PEOPLE have issues. It's a fact of life. Everyone has problems, everyone has dark times, everyone has things in their past that have traumatized/hurt/upset them and that they regret. It's not sue-ish for a character to have issues, it's HUMAN.

What makes a chracter a Sue how they're written. Unfortunately, the term 'Mary-Sue' has been so overused that no one even knows what it really means anymore. They just throw it at any character they don't like for whatever reason. :/
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CandyReaper-Malloko Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2015  Student Digital Artist
:iconthisplz:

I was about to say the very same thing, but you said it first, so....
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ChrissietheArchen Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconclapplz: :iconfreeinternetplz:
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TheIrishAngel Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconletmehugyouplz:
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In-The-Zone Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconarrowupplz: This. This right here.
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2011
Indeed, indeed. :iconclapplz:
I'd feature this comment if I could.
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KotonohaKatsuraXx Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
if a character goes through bulling, and it still affects their trust issues, but the character does have a few friends who they are open and friendly towards, does that make them a sue? :-?
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2011
Mmm.. Depends on the history and your writing skills, in my opinion. I've seen characters like that whom are intolerable but I've also seen ones that's extremely well thought out and realistic who are just a pleasure to be around. It all depends. ^u^
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A-Spirit-of-Roses Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with you on this. To me, what stops a character from being a 'sue' is balance and HOW they are portrayed. There are plenty of successful, established characters that, when broken down, could be called sues, or at least sue-ish. But if they're well-written, or at least well-enough established, then they are not.
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011
Exactly, I'm very satisfied that so far no one has disagreed with this stamp. c:
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1000yearseternalmaze Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011
And is it annoying when a character is overcoming a tragedy in his life relatively easy?For example-a character of mine witness terrible events and is depressed for a few days but then after a conversation with another character he recovers.Is it enough convincing?
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011
Typically, or at least in my opinion, yes it is. Though talking about it can be quite a big breakthrough and lessen the symptoms of whatever they're feeling but nothing would be instantly solved. Though it depends on what the tragedy was.
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1000yearseternalmaze Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011
Well, my character feels guilty for not being able to prevent the death of some people. It is a fantasy and she and a group of people are attacked by evil creatures and she fights to protect her companions, but fails and they die.She is a good fighter, although she is relatively young, but is facing a far stronger opponent.She manage to hold him for a while, but she makes mistake, using something she is not ready to use.She thinks that she must save all people at all cost because of her fighting skills and later other character says her she must not feel responsible for the tragedy because she has done everything she can.And few days before that she is sleeping because she is exausted because of the said mean she is using to stop the enemy.
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2011
Ahh, well I don't think that's too sue-ish. ouo Especially not if it's written well. Maybe a little cliche sounding, no offensive meant in the least, but that doesn't make it at all sueish. ^w^ Not in my opinion, anyway.
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1000yearseternalmaze Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2011
I wanted to ask someone for it.Maybe a few more days recovering.
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DralionAngelus Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
... *ponders if Noah's a sue*
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011
He isn't, he's lovely. 8|
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DralionAngelus Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Really? .w.
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011
It all just matters on how you play it, and if you can pull it off. And you, my dearest, do it superbly. =u=
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DralionAngelus Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Myurr... You sure? ;x;
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011
Absolutely positive, lovely, absolutely positive. ;w; /snuggles tightly.
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DralionAngelus Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Okai ;w; *clings to*
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Aq215 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I guess it just depends on how you write it. I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with making a character overly depressed about the situation they were in, because it's pretty unrealistic to have someone abused and then be okay about right away. Usually takes years and years to cope through it. But I mean most sues use this abuse idea to make the character more 'interesting' and it's just there to cause random angst whenever they want to. A good abused character will show their long road to recovery and not just "BAWWW NOBODY LOVES ME" randomness >:C
God I hate that more than anything |:

Definitely love the stamp! It was designed very nicely!
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011
Entirely. Exactly, I mean, I once roleplayed with this brilliant woman whom had a character named Violet Renard. She was a bright woman when younger and got involved with the wrong guy, thus the wrong crowd, got almost everything she could wish for but also abused, and ditched him for the last time where he attacked her on the street and knocked her straight into a coma. She woke back up a few years ago and was pretty skinny, found some comfort in food and pot and ended up just being a gray-haired, depressed, pot and cigarette smoking reaper-secretary. One of the more fascinating characters I've played with after seven years of roleplaying since her posts were long, Violet was realistic, and effort was placed into the tiniest of things. Uff, nothing is more annoying than that I swear. :/ And you can't forget the ones that go around screaming "I KILLED MY FAMILY I'M PSYCHO SO THAT MAKES ME COOL!!111!"

Buu, thank you very much. ;w;
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Aq215 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow she sounds so realisticly done :heart:
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Neko-Kaida Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011
Mostly all characters have 'issues'. That's what makes their story sort of thing and builds them up as a character.
Like one of my OC's, he saw his friend die in front of him in a motorcycle accident and blamed himself. But he just became more closed around people and went on with life as normal.

But with your example of Sarah McSparkles is just a f*cked up way of dealing with issues, and I agree with you with them not seeing the light of day. That character doesn't have any individuality at all and it's never gonna have an interesting story or anything to go with it.
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Rawr-Naze Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011
Right on with that character. /That/ is what I love to see to an OC, just some spice, not a character that is just.. Blargh. :/ I'm very tired of seeing original characters flaunting about that make me want to vomit something bad and in turn make others go "I hate OCs, they're all /insert something here/." No, they disgust good writers just as much as they do you, and we wish they would all go off cliffs like lemmings. And sadly this is what most people see 'issues' in characters as nowadays, or at least the places I go to. Bloody nonsense.

Off topic, I love your icon.
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Neko-Kaida Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011
All we can do is offer our OC's with proper realistic 'issues' etc to those like us to ease the pain of those awful OC's who should just kill themselves straight away.

Haha. Why thankyou. ;D
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